Astrogeographia Discussion

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Nick Anthony Fiorenza:

I have only quickly flipped through your book, but I am a bit confused regarding map overlays (pages 196-197).
You are overlaying an eclipticcoordinate systemstar map onto an equatorialcoordinate systemEarth map. They should be the same coordinate systems?
You might enjoy this about Astronomical-Earthgrid mapping software - although it is not public on my site (a project not pursued - but perhaps inspiring.

David Bowden's response to Nick Fiorenza's question above, about coordinate systems:

If I understand correctly, the essential aspect of this viewpoint is that it sees the Heavens as being directly projected, once and for all times, onto the surface of the Earth - in some as yet to be determined way. For those working from this visualisation, this seems perfectly reasonable and self-evident.

It needs to be made clear that the starting point for the mapping in the book Astrogeographia is Robert Powell's original research of particular correspondences - for example, his discovery of the alignments of three of the seven wonders of the world with three prominent stars in Orion: the Great Pyramid at Giza with the star Alnitak in the belt of Orion, the Pharos Lighthouse at Alexandria with the star Alnilam in the belt of Orion, and the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus with the star Bellatrix marking the left shoulder of Orion. Once these were articulated, mathematically the Equation of Declination and the Equation of Longitude followed. And from these equations in turn, arose the mapping.

This mapping stands as a one-to-one mapping of the stars onto the Earth in its own right - independent of any coordinate systems, i.e. in the same way that the Earth (or the celestial sphere) can be visualised in its own right, without any latitude-longitude grid. In this mapping, the coordinate systems of both the Earth and the stars are secondary - they only appear in the mapping to serve the positional descriptions of locations or stars. This is a very different approach to starting with the coordinate systems as primary - and then trying to overlay them in some way.

What was presented in the Astrogeographia book is not a fixed, once-and-for-all-times, mapping of the stars onto the surface of the Earth. The ecliptic in the mapping is tilted at 23.5 to the Earth's equator. And the most geographically north point on the ecliptic changes dynamically with the precession of the Earth. How can this be?

Well, it was pointed out in the Astrogeographia book that in lecture 10 of "The Relationship of the Diverse Branches of Natural Science to Astronomy," Rudolf Steiner did not correspond the Heavens directly to the surface of the Earth. Instead the correspondence was to points within the Earth. This is a key point to be made clear, and is the very basis of the Astrogeographia research.

The Relationshipof the Diverse Branches of Natural Science to Astronomy Lecture 10 - Rudolf Steiner.

So the birth imprint of the celestial sphere, discussed in Astrogeographia, is presumably to be found within the Earth, as is most likely the case also with the imprint of the celestial sphere into the new-born baby's brain at the moment of birth, described by Rudolf Steiner - see Astrogeographia, p. 256 - that this imprint is within the brain (rather than on the surface of the brain).

According to currently accepted geological theories, the outer surface of the Earth has been evolving over the aeons of time. There may also be presumably an inner movement or evolution, or perhaps like the proper motion of the stars it is only very slight. We of course don't know this. There is also the question of whether the birth imprint remains bound to the matter of the Earth, or is it imprinted to the etheric body of the Earth - again we don't know.

As pointed out in the Astrogeographia book, there is also the question of whether the axial tilt of the Earth has changed since the time of the birth imprint. All the research in the book points to an alignment of the Earth's equator with the ecliptic at the time of the birth imprint and that later there was then a shifting to the present 23.5 tilt, which took place at the time of the departure of the Moon - the Moon's separation from the Earth.

As experienced at the book launch in Melbourne on the 30th December 2012, just nine days after the book was published, the correspondence of the celestial equator to the latitude circle through Jerusalem does not seem very plausible to some people. From their perspective, it seems a completely ad hoc and arbitrary assumption. The response of the authors at the launching of the book was to say: Well take a look at where this assumption leads to - there is confirmation from Ptolemy and from Rudolf Steiner. And it opens up interesting new possibilities for research into reinterpreting the mythologies of the classical names of the constellations in relation to the periods of evolution of humanity, as seen in the light of spiritual science.
It was pointed out that there are many ways in which the correspondence could be made. The essential point is whether it leads to any new insights or research findings.

A response to the feeling that it is a completely ad hoc arbitrary assumption is given in the "Introduction to the Basic Idea of Astrogeographia" power-point show (also on the Astrogeographia discussion page of the website):
Any initial difficulty in understanding this alignment can be resolved by realising that the continental plates containing both Africa and the Middle East have been moving in general northwards, since the time of the original imprint of the stars onto the Earth.

In the power-point show geological map shown below, it is evident that since very early times there has been an approximately 30 movement north (at least for both Africa and the Middle East), which could be interpreted as meaning that Jerusalem and the Middle East were on the "equator" of those earlier times. This would fit in well with the theme of Jerusalem as the "middle of the Earth" - see geological map below:

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